4 months passed since then. this is honestly so beautiful to read. I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. . Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. This makes so much sense. thanks Dawn! It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. Hes Gemini sun . When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. We both have natal moon in house 12. It has been a very long journey! I think the fact that were both artists gave this aspect an outlet. I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if its got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of. venus+mars, etc. Here we are, older, everything so different now, lessons learned, and I am seeing that I cant undo the past. (excuse my bad English) The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. He knows me better than I know myself at times. It isnt bad, its difficult. thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. However, the greatest truths will be revealed through periods of meditation and silence. Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. The 12th house has to do with summarizing and accepting all that has come before it, whereas first house planets are very pure, almost innocent, in their expression. Its weird weird weird . Beginning to look at our Composite Chart and come to find a Moon and Mars Conjunction in Leo 12th House. Composite Sun in 1 st House. I will look into it. 1. Juno is also important. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. Learning to become unattached to outcome is a Neptunian theme in general. People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. Chiron in 12th House Meaning, Chiron in Twelfth House Meaning. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. Composite, Davison Chart . Youre writing is inspired. The diurnal chart's house cusps will also conjunct progressed and directed planets throughout the year and can mark significant days. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. Look at what sign the 12th house is in. It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! . Unfortunately, the 12th House is one of the hardest places for Lilith to be. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? . When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. Black Moon Lilith in 12th house suggests an interest in the occult and esoteric teachings. Your article is amazing! But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. The Inner Wheel Recommended Astrology Reading Lists, Crucible and the Wheel: The Transiting Nodes Series. The relationship only lasted a few months but for some reason it has left a deep-seated, soul-touching impression with me. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! !! .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? Thank you, Dawn. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. great post- thank you! and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. Mine is conjunct with his moon. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. What is your thought on this. 08.05.20. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. But also to wound each other? Sometimes learning from the mistakes IS the path. We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. What is it that makes it work? I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. Yes its probably the case, but as it is unconscious, how could I manage it , or prevent myself from feeling this ? I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. Oh the powers of the 12th house. My english is not very good. I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. It can be in a subconscious way, and you subconsciously want to have all of the power and control. venus all in the 12th house. Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). Lilith in Synastry. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. venus+mars, etc. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. He is a pisces/cap/aquar with cap moon in 12th house. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. Composite Houses, I'll begin, of course, with the Ascendant and the first quadrant of the chart. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! They seem bonded before a word is spoken. P.S. If you have Lilith in the 12 th house of your chart, her themes will manifest in terms of isolation, the shadow, and limitation. If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad Also, forgive my double Virgo and the fact that I was once an editor: the phrase is unrequited love not unrequired. Sorry. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? Learn how your comment data is processed. But thank you for helping me face reality. You explain the ineffable. Thank you for your insight. November 9, 2012 astrologyanonymous27. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. . We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. After I read and then I re-read this was the conclusion that I am more confused than before but more peaceful and more tolerant with my fate. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. I use both in my practice. My natal chart ruler is the Moon and his natal chart ruler is Mars. We are very romantic together and trust each other. In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. Unable to forget it? My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. What to make of this? You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. Your relationship usually starts out as a friendship or as "good friends". I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. We feel that very beautiful in our life! How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. Thank you. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? how this would manifest? She becomes the energy that stands in our way even as she offers dark gifts. Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. The North Node in the 12 th House - Synastry. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. More appreciative of that special melding? More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. Since your Part of Fortune is in the 12th house of your birth chart, the sixth house is the opposite house. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. 12th house issues are not always supportive. Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. This is my take on signs that have two rulersthere is a higher expression and a lower expression of the signs energy. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. Im so confused by this mix! Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. Telepathy, visiting one another out of body, lucid dreaming where they communicate with one another, strange psychic links and melding of the two energetic bodies. Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. Hi! Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. Together we share a Mars 12th. The It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. Its part of me. Lilith in the 12th House. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. North Node conjuncts Desc. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! All that positive Saturn synastry for durablilty, moon conjunction, and all those personal planet oppositions make us feel like the same person sometimes. In composite we have north node in 12th. You might have a relationship that was so intense, which left you hurting. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. Because thats what it feels like! You're hypersensitive to energy and emotions in your environment, including the collective, if Chiron is in the 12th House. Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. Your post was seemed most fitting for a romantic liaison. Hi Daw :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? Lilith in 12th House, Black Moon Lilith In Twelfth House; 1 Angel Number, 1 Angel Number Twin Flame. This depends on how well Lilith energy is being handled in the synastry and natal chart. Eventually, we learn that life is not as random as we thought, but full of purpose and meaning. Bonus points if the Sun and Moon are conjunct. The composite chart is probably the best known. In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. intresting to know why its so bad. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. thanks Dawn for your reply. We are fated, but we are meant to part. He literally proposed to me the night we met. I dont know if he felt the same deep feelings but I know he was puzzled by the sex. thanks!! The 12th house is the house of the hidden, the subconscious, spirituality, karma, and as the last house, it governs endings. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. Talking about Fate! If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. And it KILLS ME! It is SO powerful! Was our purpose to heal each other? IP . and Ceres in Pisces in his 12th and all conjunct his lilith. I loved him from the bottom of my heart. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? Its not special, its common. But, our composite chart is weird. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. I was heart broken all over again. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite.