I dont know what Daves intentions were. Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. 5 Hypocrite! Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. For they dont practice what they teach. No, because thats not Gods will. I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. JUDAH. 1. 44. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! If you want a discussion ask for one. We had no money.. Wow. I have no position or opinion of this Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. It was fun to read down through comments and feel a little gratified that not everyone was chuckling to themselves againwhy?? We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. I have 3 children I sometimes spank I sometimes lecture. The bitterness argument has been answered many times. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among There isn't much out there on the web. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol. I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! Im still separate I have just decided to sin. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! Like I said, Im doing repair work. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. For example, #54. Im not IFB but I still believe in tithes and offerings. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. Its NOT ABOUT US! BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. *gasp* Just kidding, just kiddingwe at least look for Baptist on the sign so were good . If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. You are correct! On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. Jesus does that. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). Does he always heal people no. Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? Care to elaborate, provide examples? 13. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! We cant save people, only God can. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. Simply not true. (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. 28. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. Only the KJV will be used in this group; 15. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Bible, as it is in truth, the Word of God (I Thessalonians 2:13). We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. Hypocrites! Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. We just look for a biblical church to go to. I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. 47. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. Im not responsible for how its perceived. 22. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. N/A Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. LOL. Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. Dont throw your pearls to pigs! I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. THE LAST THINGS If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Basically he was just marketing for his college. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? 2. And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. 54. I wanted to go to church but was not able to. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. Hypocrites! I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. I am also against body piercings as well. Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. If you believe that secular psychology is worldly/sinful, but dont think that other areas of medicine are OK, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 45. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. OMG = Oh My Goodness! By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you.